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Legally Insane
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Is Borat Racist?

Like most of the other people who have been swept up in the avalanche of hype surrounding it, I am really looking forward to Sasha Baron Cohen's Borat movie. Or, to give it its magnificent full title, Borat: Cultural Learnings Of America For Make Benefit Glorious Nation Of Kazakhstan. But one thing has troubled me as I've visited his hilarious website and read the enormous number of news stories with no real point other than to Make Benefit Glorious Box Office Of Borat Film. I'm starting to suspect that Borat's appeal is more than a little bit racist.
Oh, I know, what a brow-wringingly politically correct objection to make. Where's my sense of humour? It's a joke. It's satire. And so on.

But I think it's problematic. It's just that Baron Cohen is mocking an ethnic group whose feelings we don't particularly care about. We're used to the perception of Eastern Europe as being dour and backwards – we were fed it throughout the Cold War. Very few people have travelled there – I certainly haven't. The Working Dog team's excellent Molvania book also spun comedy gold out of the same vodka-soaked stereotypes.

The Kazakh government hasn't exactly helped the country's image with its bumbling overreaction. Rather than laughing along and then saying "that's funny, but of course, Kazakhstan is actually nothing like that", their actions in banning Borat from their internet space and criticising him have only made themselves look bad and given him free publicity. And the plan to release an alternative film based on Kazakh national hero Mansur, an 18th century warrior, isn't exactly going to make the country look all 21st century and groovy.

Let's just imagine we weren't talking about Kazakhstan here. Let's say someone instead had invented a comedic character called Reuben, who went around in Orthodox dress trying to screw people out of their money, drinking the blood of Christian babies (a particularly insidious myth, that one) and trying to take over the world through some kind of vast global finance conspiracy. He'd speak in a hilarious parody Yiddish accent, say "Oy vey" a lot, and otherwise make himself the fool in a way that gave non-Jews a sense of smug superiority. You can imagine the outrage a comedy character like that would create. And I certainly can't i imagine anyone eagerly awaiting the film. But isn't that exactly what Borat is, for Eastern Europe?

While still all too common, anti-semitism is a taboo in our society these days – as is only reasonable in light of that whole "centuries of persecution" thing. So of course Baron Cohen cleverly integrates that into Borat's character as well. His famous "Throw the Jew down the well" song gives us just another reason to look down on him, as well as the rednecks who sing along.

So we laugh at Borat with his "harmless fun" stereotype of Kazakhstan as a bleak, violent, sexist, homophobic backwater, and condemn him for his "unacceptable" stereotype of Jews as having crooked noses and horns.

This sort of humour is, in general, on the way out, despite the staunch attempts by Mahatma Coat to keep the dream alive. As a genre, blackface is dead, and the unflattering Indian goofball played by Peter Sellers in The Party and Mickey Rooney's appalling portrayal of Holly's Japanese neighbour in Breakfast at Tiffany's would never be permitted now, for instance. The main difference with Borat, though, is not the kind of humour, but the quality of the writing. His response to the criticisms of the Kazakh government, for example, still make me laugh:

"In response to Mr. Ashykbayev's comments, I'd like to state I have no connection with Mr. Cohen and fully support my Government's decision to sue this Jew. Since the 2003 Tuleyakiv reforms, Kazakhstan is as civilized as any other country in the world. Women can now travel on inside of bus, homosexuals no longer have to wear blue hats, and age of consent has been raised to eight years old. Please, captain of industry; I invite you to come to Kazakhstan where we have incredible natural resources, hardworking labour, and some of the cleanest prostitutes in whole of central Asia. Goodbye! "

Homophobia isn't all that funny, but the idea of gays being made to wear blue hats is more inventive than your common-or-garden prejudice, and that makes it much easier to laugh at it without so much of a guilty conscience.

I'm going to see Borat, and I'm confident the positive reviews will be proven correct. But I suspect that in a few decades, Borat himself will seem as much an anachronism as the character's anti-semitism.


http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/10/i...rat_racist.html

I'm all for humour and making fun of people. But sometimes people take it too far. This isnt just some throw away line in a stand up routine, this guy is repeatedly picking on, humiliating and degrading people of a certain nationality.

Boycott Borat!
Dishdash
I love Borat. Who else can't wait for the film?
Legally Insane
QUOTE(Dishdash @ Nov 12 2006, 11:02 PM)
I love Borat.  Who else can't wait for the film?
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Youre willing to pay money to go watch a jew make fun of muslims for two hours? (icon_razz.gif, yes i just had to mention that he's a jew)
straight outta kabul..
seinfeld is a jew and i love seinfeld's comedy bro, just the way i love borats comedy...classical stuff. You can be hindu jew buddhist i dont care as long as you make me laugh icon_lol.gif
intifada
awwwwwww@seinfeld.. wub.gif
Dishdash
QUOTE(Legally Insane @ Nov 12 2006, 11:03 PM)
Youre willing to pay money to go watch a jew make fun of muslims for two hours? (icon_razz.gif, yes i just had to mention that he's a jew)
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Aha. And does being a Jew mean we cannot watch him?
straight outta kabul..
QUOTE(intifada @ Nov 13 2006, 12:32 AM)
awwwwwww@seinfeld.. wub.gif
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i grew up with seinfeld the way i grew with simpsons..*trys holding back tears* jerry's like a second father to me icon_lol.gif
intifada
QUOTE(straight outta kabul.. @ Nov 13 2006, 12:48 AM)
i grew up with seinfeld the way i grew with simpsons..*trys holding back tears* jerry's like a second father to me icon_lol.gif
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ditto sad.gif

except homer's like my second father... my second non-muslim, beer-guzzling, gambling, lazy, gluttonous, father...
Legally Insane
the jew thing was a joke icon_rolleyes.gif. i love jews wub.gif eusa_shifty.gif.

Anyway Borat disgusts me, not funny at all.
AliG
Borat is cool.
~*madcanberran*~
QUOTE(AliG @ Nov 13 2006, 09:50 AM)
Borat is cool.
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and AliG would know icon_lol.gif
Jaaved
seinfeld isn't funny.
dachlostar
Boocott Borat? Never!!!
How could I boycott a guy who stood up at an American rodeo and said "we support you in your terrorist war"?

ETA - what's wrong with the guy who wrote this article? The Party is one of the funniest movies of all time. The humour of Peter Seller's charcter isn't in his Indianess but the way that everything just goes soooo wrong for him. Its such a crack up.
Rutger
Before you embarrass yourselves too much that blog article itself is satirical. It was written by a CNNN & Chaser writer...Dominic Knight

He doesn't degrade muslims, he doesn't degrade jews, he doesn't degrade Kazakhstan...he makes fun of stupid people who believe whatever crap is presented to them, no more, no less...don't be one of them

btw. The movie is hilarious especially when he stays at the B&B run by a jewish couple....they thought so as well
SirZubair
QUOTE(Dishdash @ Nov 13 2006, 01:02 AM)
I love Borat.  Who else can't wait for the film?
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Me me me ! icon_biggrin.gif

QUOTE(dachlostar @ Nov 13 2006, 01:42 PM)
Boocott Borat? Never!!!
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icon_lol.gif
Legally Insane
QUOTE(Rutger @ Nov 13 2006, 12:18 PM)
Before you embarrass yourselves too much that blog article itself is satirical. It was written by a CNNN & Chaser writer...Dominic Knight

He doesn't degrade muslims, he doesn't degrade jews, he doesn't degrade Kazakhstan...he makes fun of stupid people who believe whatever crap is presented to them, no more, no less...don't be one of them

btw. The movie is hilarious especially when he stays at the B&B run by a jewish couple....they thought so as well
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I love Dom, and the chaser. I hate Borat. Not funny at all.

Come on guys, how would you feel if you were from kazakhistan?
straight outta kabul..
QUOTE(Jaaved @ Nov 13 2006, 11:41 AM)
seinfeld isn't funny.
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whatever bro
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QUOTE(Legally Insane @ Nov 13 2006, 11:52 PM)
I love Dom, and the chaser. I hate Borat. Not funny at all.

Come on guys, how would you feel if you were from kazakhistan?
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i wouldn't mind at all but thats me and chasers is hilarious
chilena
AT LAST someone hates borat...
Mercurial
QUOTE(dachlostar @ Nov 13 2006, 11:42 AM)
Boocott Borat? Never!!!
How could I boycott a guy who stood up at an American rodeo and said "we support you in your terrorist war"?

ETA - what's wrong with the guy who wrote this article? The Party is one of the funniest movies of all time. The humour of Peter Seller's charcter isn't in his Indianess but the way that everything just goes soooo wrong for him. Its such a crack up.
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Thank you! eusa_clap.gif

That's exactly what I was thinking!

I love The Party! It's one of my fave films. Nothing to dooooooooooooooooo if we areeeeee wiseeeeeeee, we're not expecting a rainboooooooooow colouredddddddd sky.

Howdy Pard'ner!

Birdy num num!

Birdy num num is how I met one of my best friends. We were on a train and she just started to randomly say 'burdy num num'. I started laughing and pretended to be the bird and was nodding my head and repeating it hahah. We've been friends ever since (over 10 yrs).
DiningPhilosopher

Borat sucks.
Kulazzi
Borat's not very funny. Ray Romano is much better. And that guy who plays the father in "My Wife and Kids". He's hilarious!!

edit: His name is Damon Wayans.
Umm Ahmed
I reckon, I just read a small article on him in the SMH, he's just gross eusa_sick.gif
straight outta kabul..
it is nice...I LIKE
Sadi
QUOTE(Legally Insane @ Nov 13 2006, 12:03 AM)
Youre willing to pay money to go watch a jew make fun of muslims for two hours? (icon_razz.gif, yes i just had to mention that he's a jew)
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Borat is "anti semetic", ie anti-jew and not anti-Muslim. This is not to commend him though.

The kazak government is aethiest. So this is nothing anti-Muslim as such. He's a disturbingly funny fraud.


Mercurial
The guy who plays Borat (Sacha Cohen who also plays AliG) is an orthodox Jew himself. The character Borat is anti-Jewish and it's done in a way to expose the prejudices in others. It's very funny watching the Americans go along with his racism.

He is basically exposing his victims (mainly Americans).
Rutger
QUOTE(Sadi @ Nov 13 2006, 11:50 PM)
Borat is "anti semetic", ie anti-jew and not anti-Muslim. This is not to commend him though.

The kazak government is aethiest. So this is nothing anti-Muslim as such. He's a disturbingly funny fraud.
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The fictional charachter is, the real life actor isn't and I believe Sacha reveals his political persausion, in a satirical way, at the rodeo...

"My Name is Borat, I come from Kazakhstan"
*Small applause*
"Can I say at first, we support your war of terror"
*Loud cheer*
"May we show our support for the boys in Iraq"
*Massive cheer*
"May the US and A kill every single terrorist"
*Massive cheer*
"May your George Bush drink the blood of every single man, woman and child of Iraq"
*Cheer starts loud but dies fairly quickly*
"May you destroy their country so that for the next thousand years not even a single lizard will survive in their desert"
*Small cheer starts but quickly becomes polite clapping*
Legally Insane
QUOTE(Sadi @ Nov 13 2006, 11:50 PM)
Borat is "anti semetic", ie anti-jew and not anti-Muslim. This is not to commend him though.

The kazak government is aethiest. So this is nothing anti-Muslim as such. He's a disturbingly funny fraud.
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I think merc's post was sufficient. I would also like to add that kazakhistan is a muslim country by definition that most of its citizens are muslim. But like i said, the jew thing was a joke, i dont like the idea of repeatedly picking on a specific nationality.
intifada
after having read this thread i've decided that i'm going to take highlighter out to see borat for our first date.
Shai*
QUOTE(intifada @ Nov 14 2006, 01:56 AM)
after having read this thread i've decided that i'm going to take highlighter out to see borat for our first date.
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straight outta kabul..
QUOTE(intifada @ Nov 14 2006, 01:56 AM)
after having read this thread i've decided that i'm going to take highlighter out to see borat for our first date.
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hmmm dry.gif
intifada
QUOTE(straight outta kabul.. @ Nov 14 2006, 02:02 AM)
hmmm    dry.gif
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oh don't be jealous boyo! i called dibs on her first!
straight outta kabul..
QUOTE(intifada @ Nov 14 2006, 02:05 AM)
oh don't be jealous boyo! i called dibs on her first!
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riiiiight icon_lol.gif
intifada
i'm going to try and get warriorette to come too.. now i just need to find her a date so we can double! w00t.gif
AliG
the reason why you should NOT bycott borat


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TLF2d4_uRM


In my country there is problem

In my country there is problem
and that problem is transport
it take very very long,
becasue kazakistan is big,
throw transport down the well
so my country can be free,
so my country can be free!

we must make travel easy
then we have big party

In my country there is problem
and that problem is the ***
they take everybody money
they never give it back
throw the *** down the well
so my country can be free,
so my country can be free!

you must grab him by his horns
then we have big party

if you see the *** coming
you must be careful of your stick
you must help him by his money
and i tell you what to do
throw the *** down the well
so my country can be free,
so my country can be free!

you must grab him by his horns
then we have big party


throw the *** down the well
so my country can be free,
so my country can be free!
you must grab him by his horns
then we have big partyyyyyyy
Ghaith
Sorry....didn't like him as AliG and detest him as Borat.
Fallible
I heard him on the radio twice just yesterday and I agree with the boycott and I am hoping it will affect him in a positive manner where he decides to give it up...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's funny funny and stupid funny...

Actually he is not even stupid funny, he is vulgar funny....
BilalB
Yashamash, Yeah i don't like his jokes either, High Five!
straight outta kabul..
HIGH FIVE! w00t.gif
intifada
awwww is he really that bad?

maybe i won't force highlighter into going with me then sad.gif
Shug
QUOTE(Jaaved @ Nov 13 2006, 11:41 AM)
seinfeld isn't funny.
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Word.

QUOTE(Ghaith @ Nov 17 2006, 09:09 AM)
Sorry....didn't like him as AliG and detest him as Borat.
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Is he the same person? I didn't like AliG as well.
DarkJustice
Well some of AliG is funni but yes Borat just took it out of context ...
Hanan Oum Medina
Do a Boat search on YouTube and you'll see some abhorrent and really dirty stuff. There's also alot of Jewish bagging which is not very nice, considering he's a Jew representing a Muslim from a majority Muslim nation. Anything for a laugh dry.gif Anti-Islamic and you should well avoid it. Seriously....
Umm Ahmed
QUOTE(Fallible @ Nov 17 2006, 01:57 PM)
I heard him on the radio twice just yesterday and I agree with the boycott and I am hoping it will affect him in a positive manner where he decides to give it up...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's funny funny and stupid funny...

Actually he is not even stupid funny, he is vulgar funny....
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I agree, foul is more like it - I wasted ten minutes of my time looking at youtube and it was just rotten.
Taliban Princess
QUOTE(Mercurial @ Nov 14 2006, 02:34 AM)
The guy who plays Borat (Sacha Cohen who also plays AliG) is an orthodox Jew himself. The character Borat is anti-Jewish and it's done in a way to expose the prejudices in others. It's very funny watching the Americans go along with his racism.

Orthodox Jew?

The same Sacha Cohen that lives with his Aussie bird Isla Fisher [and who happens to be converting to Judaism herself]?

Not very Kosher methinks....
Taliban Princess
QUOTE(intifada @ Nov 16 2006, 04:50 PM)
i'm going to try and get warriorette to come too.. now i just need to find her a date so we can double! w00t.gif
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Just curiously Inti -- knowing your political leanings -- you have no problem paying to see a man who supports the creation of Israel?
Taliban Princess
QUOTE(Fallible @ Nov 17 2006, 02:57 PM)
I heard him on the radio twice just yesterday and I agree with the boycott and I am hoping it will affect him in a positive manner where he decides to give it up...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's funny funny and stupid funny...

Actually he is not even stupid funny, he is vulgar funny....[right][snapback]444522[/snapback][/right]

Hence why he appeals to the masses.

Vulgarity is a thriving business - just ask the multi-millionare Mr Hefner himself.

Hmm...now lemme think, what do these two have in common...
Ethereal
He's also tricked many people into appearing on camera, including elderlies and disabled people

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/now-villag...3871392723.html
sarah123
QUOTE(Kulazzi @ Nov 13 2006, 11:23 PM)
Borat's not very funny. Ray Romano is much better. And that guy who plays the father in "My Wife and Kids". He's hilarious!!

edit: His name is Damon Wayans.
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totally agree with u there eusa_dance.gif icon_biggrin.gif

Not sure about Borat though, haven't watched any of his stuff.
GoZinedineZidane
i hear plenty ppl copying borat at school and sort or copying his style. I hear that kinda stuff everyday, ppl regard it as normal. Can't avoid it cos its in class smile.gif
Mercurial
Goodness gracious. Don't.watch.this.film.

Vulgar, blech, kekh, bleeeeeeeeeughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, gah!

There's *a lot* of nudity.

I had to bathe in Domestos after seeing it.
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